Philip
Pullella:
… I
remember you said to the group from Latin America that there are many saints
working in the Vatican, but also people who are rather less saintly, didn’t
you?.. You live in a very austere manner, you have remained at Santa
Marta, and so on... Would you like your collaborators, including the Cardinals,
to follow this example, and perhaps to live in community, or is this something
for you alone?
Pope
Francis:
You
mention the fact that I remained at Santa Marta. But I could not live alone
in the Palace, and it is not luxurious. The Papal apartment is not
particularly luxurious! It is a fair size, but it is not luxurious.
But I cannot live alone or with just a few people! I need people, I need
to meet people, to talk to people... it was for psychological reasons,
simply, because psychologically I can’t do otherwise. Everyone has to
lead his own life, everyone has his own way of living and being.
The
Cardinals who work in the Curia do not live wealthy, opulent lives: they live
in small apartments, they really are austere… But austerity – general
austerity – I think it is necessary for all of us who work in the service of
the Church. There are many shades of austerity; everyone must seek his
own path.
With
regard to the saints, it’s true, there are saints: cardinals, priests,
bishops, sisters, laypersons; people who pray, people who work hard, and who
also help the poor, in hidden ways. I know of some who take trouble to
give food to the poor, and then, in their free time, go to minister in this or
that church. They are priests. There are saints in the Curia.
And there are some who are not so saintly, and these are the ones you tend to
hear about. You know that one tree falling makes more noise than a whole
forest growing. And it pains me when these things happen.
Press Conference on Plane
Returning from WYD Rio
Reflection – I realize I’ve got quite a long
excerpt here from the press conference, but I was struck by this exchange, and
thought it was a good corrective for all of us, myself included. Long as it is
(and I cut quite a bit of it down), it’s worth the space given it here.
It is so easy
for us to get cynical, judgmental, censorious and just plain nasty about the
Vatican and the people who work there. I am not free of that myself, to be
quite honest. So it’s good to have someone who certainly does know what poverty
looks like and whose personal commitment to poverty is unassailable set the
record straight. The living quarters of cardinals and the papal apartments in the
Vatican are not luxurious, but are ‘really austere.’ Sez who? Sez Pope Francis,
who presumably knows more about the subject from, like, first hand observation
than you or me.
And there are
lots of saints working in Rome. Good to know! You’d never guess it from the
public image many of us have of the place. It is really worthwhile to confront
this attitude in ourselves, which like I say I am not innocent of myself, of a
certain ecclesiastical cynicism, a tendency to see the worst, look for the
worst, discount or minimize the best, the presence of real virtue and holiness
in Church officials, and blow up every offense or failure, real or imagined, to
the greatest severity and importance.
Now, why do we
do that? What is it about people in red hats or cassocks that makes us break
out the magnifying glass and the brass knuckles, searching out every example of
wickedness and pummelling all within reach when we find it? What drives that
kind of punitive, pejorative, puritanical propensity in us, to judge and condemn
our brothers just because they happen to live and work in Vatican City?
There are good
and bad people everywhere, in every line of work, in every field of human
existence. And most of us (let’s be real here) are neither very good nor very
bad but just ordinary stiffs muddling along. Why do we want to judge and
criticize people we don’t even know?
I have my own
suspicions on the matter, but would prefer to leave it there, as a matter for
examination of conscience. Pope Francis tells us that people in the Vatican
actually live fairly austerely, and that there are quite a few saints among
them. That’s good news, right? Let’s leave it there for now.
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