Pablo
Ordas:
We would
like to know about your working relationship, not just your relationship of
friendship but that of collaboration, with Benedict XVI. There has never
been a situation like this before, and whether you are frequently in contact
and if he is helping you in this work. Many thanks.
Pope
Francis:
…There is
one thing that describes my relationship with Benedict: I have such great
affection for him. I have always loved him. For me he is a man of
God, a humble man, a man of prayer. I was so happy when he was elected
Pope. Also, when he resigned, for me it was an example of
greatness. A great man. Only a great man does this! A man of
God and a man of prayer.
Now he is
living in the Vatican, and there are those who tell me: “How can this
be? Two Popes in the Vatican! Doesn’t he get in your way?
Isn’t he plotting against you?” All these sorts of things, no? I
have found a good answer for this: “It’s like having your grandfather in the
house”, a wise grandfather. When families have a grandfather at home, he
is venerated, he is loved, he is listened to. Pope Benedict is a man of
great prudence. He doesn’t interfere! I have often told him so:
“Holiness, receive guests, lead your own life, come along with us”. He
did come for the unveiling and blessing of the statue of Saint Michael.
So, that
phrase says it all. For me it’s like having a grandfather at home: my own
father. If I have a difficulty, or something I don’t understand, I can
call him on the phone: “Tell me, can I do this?” When I went to talk with
him about that big problem, Vatileaks, he told me everything with great
simplicity … to be helpful. There is something I don’t know whether you
are aware of – I believe you are, but I’m not certain – when he spoke to us in
his farewell address, on 28 February, he said: “In your midst is the next Pope:
I promise him obedience”. He is a great man; this is a great man!
Press Conference on plane
returning for WYD Rio
Reflection – ‘Pope and Change’, read the headline in Time magazine a week or so ago. This has
certainly been the secular media’s take on Popes Francis and Benedict. Pope
Francis is ‘humble’ while Benedict was ‘regal’. Francis is pastoral; Benedict,
stern and unyielding. Francis warm and friendly; Benedict stiff and reserved.
And so forth – we all know the routine.
So it’s nice
to hear Pope Francis’ take on the matter, and his opinion of Pope Benedict.
They are friends, long-time coworkers, with great mutual respect and affection.
Nice to know. And good to know, since the two of them are charting absolutely
new territory in their relationship. There is just no template for how a
retired pope and a reigning pope are supposed to interact while both living in
Rome. Miss Manners has nothing to say on the matter; Emily Post neither.
I want to
reflect on this matter of ‘humility’, though, since Pope Francis here uses the
word to describe Benedict, and since it has been one of the words bandied about
in this new papacy in the popular press. I will always remember with great
merriment the headline in the (I believe) Daily
Telegraph in England upon the papal election: “New Pope Famous for his
Humility.” I’m quite sure Pope Francis would be equally amused at that
headline. There is nothing quite as absurd as the prospect of someone being
famous for being humble. Less amusing, of course, is the implication that Pope
Francis is so very humble, not like that nasty old icky Pope Benedict who was
so prideful and arrogant. That… is not so funny.
Now, I have
absolutely no idea who is humble and who is not. Humility is, by definition, a
hidden virtue. Pope Francis may indeed be the humblest man God ever put on this
earth; in his own words, ‘who am I to judge?’
But… it takes
a lot of humility to resign the papacy, doesn’t it? A lot of humility to say,
“I can no longer do this job I have been asked to do.” Or maybe it doesn’t –
that too could be a prideful act, flouting millennia of tradition.
Humility is a
tricky thing. It can be a genuine and true humility to adopt a simpler
liturgical style and reduce the pomp and trappings of office… or it may not be.
It can be humility to simply accept and go with the traditional signs and
symbols, vestures and rituals of an office… or it may not be.
Humility
cannot really be measured by such outward realities. Ultimately, only God knows
who is humble and who is proud, who is lowly and meek and who is haughty of
heart. The ways of the human heart are tortuous and we cannot even judge our
own cases.
So it is not
humility, that hidden virtue, that we are to look for to evaluate the
genuineness of a person. It is love, and compassion, and mercy. And I think any
fair observer, looking at both of these men, will find ample evidence of these
qualities, which cannot flourish in a soul unless that soul is humble before
God and receptive. We have been very blessed in our popes in the past century:
much love, much mercy, much humble and generous service to the Church. Let us
leave off judging and critiquing these men, and get on with the task of ourselves
loving and serving as we are called to do.
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