Jean-Marie
Guénois:
Holy
Father, one question… You have said that without women, the Church grows
barren. What concrete measures will you take? For example, the
diaconate for women or a woman as a head of dicastery?
Pope
Francis:
A Church
without women is like the college of the Apostles without Mary. The role
of women in the Church is not simply that of maternity, being mothers, but much
greater: it is precisely to be the icon of the Virgin, of Our Lady; what helps
make the Church grow! But think about it, Our Lady is more important than
the Apostles! She is more important!
The
Church is feminine. She is Church, she is bride, she is mother. But
women, in the Church, must not only… I don’t know how to say this in Italian…
the role of women in the Church must not be limited to being mothers, workers,
a limited role… No! It is something else! But the
Popes.. Paul VI wrote beautifully of women, but I believe that we have
much more to do in making explicit this role and charism of women.
We can’t
imagine a Church without women, but women active in the Church, with the
distinctive role that they play. I think of an example which has nothing
to do with the Church, but is an historical example: in Latin America,
Paraguay. For me, the women of Paraguay are the most glorious women in
Latin America. Are you paraguayo? After the war, there were eight
women for every man, and these women made a rather difficult decision: the
decision to bear children in order to save their country, their culture, their
faith, and their language.
In the
Church, this is how we should think of women: taking risky decisions, yet as
women. This needs to be better explained. I believe that we have
not yet come up with a profound theology of womanhood, in the Church. All
we say is: they can do this, they can do that, now they are altar servers, now
they do the readings, they are in charge of Caritas (Catholic charities).
But there is more! We need to develop a profound theology of
womanhood. That is what I think.
Press Conference on Return
Flight from WYD Rio, July 28, 2013
Reflection – Well, this is why so many of us love Pope
Francis. He has such a simple direct style of speech, such a blunt way of
saying just exactly what he thinks about a subject – it’s great, really.
I wonder if he
is familiar with one of Pope Benedict’s early books, Daughter Zion, though? It is a slim volume, really a retreat young
Fr. Ratzinger gave on Our Lady in the wake of Vatican II, but it contains
within it at least the germ of precisely the profound theology of woman Pope
Francis is calling for here.
Benedict
traces the line of women in the Scriptures, the barren women who conceive, the
women who are raised up to deliver Israel from its enemies, Israel itself
personified as a bride, and the personified figure of created wisdom, all
culminating in the Virgin Mary.
From this emerges a theology of woman as an
icon of creation, of humanity, and of the Church—radically receptive, radically
looking to God for life, radically dependent yet in this very dependence called
forth to be co-creator and co-redeemer with God, ultimately in the very
acceptance of dependence and receptivity called to transcend the boundaries of
created human existence to be filled with the divine life and glory. Our Lady
is assumed into heaven and is queen of heaven and earth; this is the direct
result of her total obedience and surrender to God in all things.
In this, the
strictly masculine model of activity—initiative, dominance, power—is radically
relativized. What is done to us and done through us, our cooperation and
submission to the deeper movements of the Spirit in our created and redeemed
flesh, is much more important, vital, and ultimately determinative of our life
than our own commanding will to power.
I don’t know
if that’s what Pope Francis has in mind; as is often the case, he doesn’t spell
out everything he has in mind, but leaves lots of room for interpretation and
contribution of others. I think that’s deliberate on his part. He doesn’t want
to be the only voice in the room. He wants to start a conversation. But this
whole question of ‘theology of woman’ is a question of vision, of moving things
away from rather superficial questions of power and role and office, of who
gets to do what and when and how.
We need
something more, and that’s what he’s inviting us to talk about. So… let’s talk
about it! What do you think of this?